BGT 2018: The Final

We get the feeling it’s been a mixed week for TPTB: things seemed largely to go to plan on Monday, Wednesday and Thursday, but Tuesday’s show baffled in-running punters and Simon’s claim to be “thrilled” at Friday’s result didn’t convince the Sofabet comments section. One big-picture piece of evidence that this week’s live shows have not unfolded entirely as producers will have mapped out a week ago is that they surely wouldn’t have planned 90% of the qualifying acts to be male.

Only once in 11 series has the final been won by an act who didn’t top the vote in their semi (when Diversity bested SuBo in series 3), so it seems reasonable that the market expects the winner to come from the four semi winners who aren’t Donchez. Three are comedians, and no comedian has yet won the show – surely something they’ll want to make happen sooner or later. The two key questions for punters look like: which of the three will producers get most firmly behind? And will a three-way split in the comedy vote allow the junior version of Diversity to come up on the rails and claim the crown?

We tend to agree with Stoney that Lost Voice Guy is the comedian who ticks the most boxes. He’s who we would prefer to throw our weight behind if we were running the show – he’d be the most feelgood winner, and the one we’d be most comfortable putting in front of the royals. But experience tells us that it’s a risky proposition to bet on this show based purely on assuming that producers will share your instincts about what they ought to do.

One factor in LVG’s favour is that Monday’s show seemed calculated to gauge how high his vote could fly: while given a decent slot in the running order and bigged up by the judges, with Amanda rallying the “political correctness has gone mad” vote, he was also given a worthy rival in the form of red-white-and-blue pimp-slot confetti for the D-Day Darlings. That should have given producers a decent idea of whether or not it would be straightforward to get him to the overall victory.

On the downside for LVG, while some of his lines worked as well as his audition material, others would have been more effective had we not already heard so much of his backstory. Anyone backing him before seeing his final perfomance is taking a risk that there’s enough fresh material in the locker.

Robert White’s act is fascinatingly different from LVG’s in that it relies so heavily on the verbal delivery – his punchlines depend on being delivered as seemingly throwaway afterthoughts, while LVG’s gags stand or fall on the quality of the writing. It may be worth noting that Cowell compared him to David Walliams in skating perilously close to the bounds of acceptability, in a week which has featured more than one cautionary “David” emanating with apparently genuine concern from Cowell’s lips. Against that, Robert won through a strong-looking heat, and consensus in the comments was that he’d raised more laughs than LVG.

With these two already in the line-up, Micky P Kerr surely wasn’t intended to make the final from the #3 slot on Friday. We can probably take Cowell’s “I’ll be honest with you, Micky” at face value here: “I didn’t think this was going to happen, you absolutely nailed it tonight”. That comment earlier featured a nod to LVG and Robert White having the potential for career longevity, so it would represent a significant and surprising change of heart if Micky’s better-than-expected reception were enough to leapfrog them both in TPTB’s affections.

The three comedians have distinctive schticks, but will nonetheless presumably be fishing in the same pool to some extent at least. That should help DVJ, the only dance act in the final, who were given every assistance from the Thursday pimp slot. Having worked with Diversity, producers will have a good idea of DVJ’s commercial potential. But how will they feel about how a DVJ win would reflect on the franchise? You can argue it looks good, because BGT made the act – Diversity – that spawned them. Or you could worry that it starts to look a bit incestuous.

It’s hard to make a case that producers might think a win for the other semi winner, Donchez, would reflect well on the franchise. Sometimes producers have to acquiesce in a win for an act whose popularity makes them hard to stop – but it should be pretty easy to stop this one-man Reggie-N-Bollie: if he does ‘Wiggle and Wine’ again you can say he’s repetitive, or if he does something else you can say it’s not as good as ‘Wiggle and Wine’.

What of the second-placers? It’s just two years since Richard Jones won the show with an act featuring military uniforms, union flags and a veteran appearing on stage at the end, so producers may not feel the need to burnish their patriotic credentials again by doing whatever it would take to get The D-Day Darlings reversing Monday placings with LVG. As for Tuesday’s runner-up – Calum Courtney – you can question whether or not his paean to his mum was expected to garner enough votes from slot #3.

Gruffydd Wyn is shortest-priced of the second-placers, but popera is hardly under-represented among the show’s roll-call of winners and the Welshman’s comments seemed more focused on his improvement from his audition than on his commercial potential. Thursday’s runners-up, Jack and Tim, were favourites going into the week but Simon’s praise for his golden buzzer act felt more dutiful than heartfelt. Much as we love the Giang Brothers, their heat looked weak and they fell short from the pimp slot.

At the time of writing, there is no word on the wildcard. The last thing the final needs is another male comedian, so it would be surprising if Noel James got the nod. If producers want to dilute the male dominance, they could go with the B Positive Choir or Mandy Muden; if they want a magician, they can choose from Mandy, Monday’s Maddox Dixon or pre-lives favourite Marc Spelmann, whose comments from slot #3 on Wednesday weren’t helpful – Amanda noted the trick hadn’t held her attention and Simon worked in the phrase “repeating yourself”. We’re hoping it’s Spelmann with a routine that involves his infant daughter saying “supercalifragilisticexpialidocious”.

As ever, running order will tell us much more, though it may not be as conveniently obvious as last year’s final in which the third-last, second-last and last acts to perform finished third, second and first respectively. Let us know your thinking in the comments below.

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114 comments to BGT 2018: The Final

  • Phil

    The moment that Dec walked on to Could It Be Magic on Friday, I thought to myself that Mandy was who they wanted to win that night. I can’t imagine anyone but her getting the wild card.

  • Chatterbox5200

    According to the BGT Twitter page….

    It’s official. We can now confirm that #BGT ‘s Wildcard act is… @bpositivechoir!

    See them in tonight’s Final! 7.30pm, @ITV and @WeAreSTV!

  • I like the refreshing contrast with this and XF, not saying either is better but it just makes a change. In BGT Cowell doesn’t or can’t give acts bad staging or songs, the interests of the show decide the ro, and the comments are generally good in the final. So it’s more unpredictable. Especially unpredictable with three failed comedians – harsh thing to say but realistic as they’ve all been doing it (part time) for many years.

    Robert White was the talent for me and I’m hoping he’s got more up his sleeve.

  • “with Amanda rallying the “political correctness has gone mad” vote”

    Ironically I’d say it was PC to support LVG. There is an attraction in the very PC to appear non PC (they sense that PC is mocked by some, ie untrendy which they fear being thought of, without understanding why).

    Anyway, of relevance to us, LVG obviously has the current zeitgeist firmly on his side.

  • Doyley

    Someone knows the set times possibly? LVG and DVJ coming in a bit, Robert drifting…

  • James

    Looking at each act’s semi final performance on YouTube, Robert White has 1.4 million views as I write this compared to LVG’s 1.2 million. Considering the latter had far more hype and a 2 day head start I think that speaks to the better quality of Robert’s material. The problem for LVG is he starts to look more like a one trick pony with every performance, so I’m backing Robert for the win.

  • Joe Lemer

    I agree that TPTB didn’t expect Micky to win Friday’s show and were pushing Mandy and the Chiang Brothers. Cowell’s comments afterwards seemed OTT that he was delighted with Micky’s win, they would surely not have wanted another comedian in the final.

    Why did they backtrack on Mandy? What made them allow Chiang Brothers to go through in the public vote, when they could have opted to send her to the final? They have snubbed her again as a wildcard.

    Do they know feel she would have been too much of a threat in the final as the only solo female act?

    • They didn’t want a forth comedian. Also Cowell gave his word he would fight for B+ choir to be the WC.

      • = the wrong decision as Mandy was good, and has different stuff unlike Giang.

      • Chris Bellis

        True Henry. But who expected Simon to keep his word? I think he promised that because he expected that irritating kid to be kicked out, and then he could avoid the opprobrium of rejecting a child. Now we’ve got a whole bunch of irritating kids in the final.

        • But he’d have known the results by the time the judges voted. Nothing’s left to chance with the judges in these shows (unless it’s someone with a senior moment like Louis or Sharon), it’s all decided who will vote for who.

          They probably want to keep a lot of choirs entering, adds variety, and one day they might even get a winner.

  • Joe Lemer

    Had a small bet on LVG before the semi-final week and still think he will just edge it. Robert was brilliant and in any other year would probably win, Micky is very likeable and I hope both have future success. But thinking about the website Betfactor that I used to read (very much missed, please come back!) it’s the franchise that comes first.

    To support someone with a disability shows inclusivity and embraces the programne as open to all. There is a fear that we may have seen the extent of his material already, how much new stuff does LVG have? His USP I think will be enough when it comes to voting to see him over the line. I think he will be on during the last 3 slots in the running order to show producer support.

  • Chatterbox5200

    I didn’t realise that LVG won the BBC New Comedy Award 2014 and has played the Edinburgh Festival. I’m sure he’ll have plenty of material without repeating his audition/Semi-Final routines.
    https://youtu.be/FalFm61zaJc

  • Chris Bellis

    My problem with this is that I can’t guess how the ordinary televoter will go. As I’ve said before, I get to go to loads of comedy gigs, both mainstream and small alternative venues. So I’m in the equivalent of the Eurovision bubble. I know LVG would go down well, particularly as a support act to someone like Adam Hill or Russell Howard or one of the many others who play to a certain type of right on audience. However I realise from previous conversations on this site and others, many people haven’t heard of even the most famous comedians of that ilk. That reception will more accurately match the views of the televoter audience. So the three comedians will all get votes, but I can easily see the junior diversity slipping through the middle, as the three comedians are all ones I’d book for a comedy venue where the audience would be quite different from a BGT televoter audience. In fact, in my gigs a comedian would only have to mention the name of Simon Cowell or Amanda Holden to get a laugh. I went to see John Robins the other week, and quite a few of his throwaway lines related to his ex’s (Sara Pascoe) rotten taste in TV, namely anything with Simon Cowell in it.
    So after thinking it through I’m betting on DVJ and LVG. Not with much conviction though.
    FWIW most polls give LVG as the people’s choice, eg:
    http://www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2018-06-03/britains-got-talent-2018-date-time-ant-dec-presenting-itv/

  • Chatterbox5200

    Regarding the running order, the final will feature: 6 x Singers/Musical Acts, 3 x Comedians, 1 x Dance Act and 1 x Variety Act.

    Surely, in the interest of an entertainment show, they would have to distribute the singing acts and comedians. This would make it difficult to give DVJ the pimp slot.

    The most logical distribution would be – Singer/Singer/Comedian/Variety Act. This could give:

    1) Donchez / Calum / Mickey P Kerr / Giang Bros.
    2) B-Positive Choir / Jack & Tim / Robert White / DVJ
    3) D-Day Darlings / Gruffydd / LVG

  • Score

    The order on the ITV website is:

    Micky P Kerr
    Giang Brothers
    D Day Darlings
    Jack & Tim
    Robert White
    Lost Voice Guy
    Donchez
    Calum Courtney
    Gruffydd Wyn
    Diversity Juniors

    http://www.itv.com/britainsgottalent/live-shows/its-your-bgt-grand-finalists-2018

    With the exception of Tuesday these orders have pretty much matched the running order across the week. It was published yesterday though so there might be more room for change than usual, but if it is the case then it certainly looks good for DVJ and less so for Robert.

    It was published before B Positive were announced as the wildcard so they need to fit somewhere. My guess would be between Robert and LVG to avoid two comics back to back (although 3 singing acts back to back towards the end is a bit much if it does pan out that way).

  • Tim B

    I’ve never known a BGT final to appear so open. Got to have the front four green at the start of the show and just go from there.

  • Stoney

    Gotta say I’m happy having the top 2 in the betting as my jackpot winners for tonight. The rest im not concerned about
    My prediction
    1. LVG
    2. DVJ
    3. Gryffud Wyn

    Good luck all

  • Stoney

    Whats your top 3 Andrew?

    • Put a gun to my head and I’ll say 1 LVG, 2 Robert, 3 DVJ, on the basis that
      – I suspect they might prefer a first comedian winner given the whiff of nepotism that would surround DVJ
      – LVG and Robert were the two standout acts of the week so why not praise both to the skies?
      – instinct says LVG but arguably Robert’s the value at current odds

      With all the usual disclaimers that running order and treatment will change everything!

      • Stoney

        Lvg and Robert have to be vote splitting. It os the regional vote that i think sees LVG across the line.
        Not sure that Cowell is all that bothered by fixed accusations. They were massively pimped in the semi and there hasnt been much backlash.

        • This is true, although winning the semi is one thing and winning the final is another. It’s not so much fix allegations that would bother me if I were them as that there might be some sense of the show eating itself – a bit like when they rope in former XF contestants to duet with XF finalists and it looks like it’s because they can’t find anyone from the real world. But I can see how they might take the opposite view and think that it makes the franchise look good.

        • Chris Bellis

          We have three comedians, that’s the problem. And as I said earlier, and from my experience with comedy gigs, they’re appealing to much the same audience. It’s whether their appeal transfers in the same way to the largely clueless-about-modern-standup-comedy televote audience,(that includes the judges apart from David). I have sat with relatives watching comedy acts on TV and they haven’t laughed once, nor understood a single joke, but they still get on their phones and tablets and cast votes. I think the televoters will go for LVG, but some of his votes will be stolen by having two other comedians on. Difficult to call. I’d go with Stoney on this one.

  • Double Carpet

    I do wish the running order was known, it’s crucial! If Robert is on fifth as some have already said, that will really dampen his chances. Am wondering if we’ll even know by the start of the show, as in the Subo/Diversity year when they did an “appearing tonight” VT with clips of all the acts in the order in which they were to perform. Doesn’t anybody have a pal on the inside?!

  • Guildo Horn Forever

    My guess re the comedians …

    I think Stoney was right when he commented that it looked like Cowell and Mickey Kerr had had words. Micky could be due a punishment dampening? If they don’t want him to win they will be worried about his Leeds / Yorkshire / Northern vote power as Micky is so quintessentially / stereotypically dry, wry, unimpressed and Northern. Listening to his accent, I keep on mistaking him for being a Mancunian (which can only be helpful). Gallagher-brother sound to his singing.

    Robert’s focus has been on ripping into the panel. In his Semi performance, he absolutely cut Amanda Holden to the bone (who didn’t take (accept) it kindly), plus perhaps Alesha could be less of a good sport than she seems? Does he feel an expectation to deliver another Ricky-Gervais-at-the-Globes takedown of the egos? Will he be punished for overstepping the line? Whatever: he is just fabulous.

    I favour LVG, ultimately as I find him so loveable. Whatever happens, congrats to everyone who secured great prices about him and other finalists.

  • I recall Richard Jones winning with a sentimental performance from position two a couple of years ago – I’m not writing off the D Day Darlings at all.

  • Joe Lemer

    Happy with the running order so far. Neither the D Day Darlings or Robert can win it from here. Definitely sticking with LVG to win.

  • Stoney

    Taking the financial aspect away from it you have to feel sorry for anyone that gets put earlier in the running order than acts that didn’t win their semi.

    • Doyley

      Yes, I feel like winning your semi should mean automatically second half of the show! LVG in next part, wow. Was 1.9 before that, let’s see how he does.

  • LVG is going sixth – late enough in the running order?

    I’m stunned Micky is going last out of the three comedians.

  • Stoney

    Interesting. Does this hand DVJ a huge chance. I think so

  • Joe Lemer

    Micky going AFTER Lost Voice Guy? That is a big surprise.

  • Stoney

    Im still fully expecting a full on pimping for LVG. They know how well he’s vote stacked up on Monday night. Hence putting him on early. But still after the main threat Robert.
    I’ll very interested to see what treatment DVJ get.

  • Chris Bellis

    Not for the first time, I wonder about insider trading. We all know how important running order is.

  • Guildo Horn Forever

    LVG is from Newcastle. I think every viewer definitely knows that now!

  • Alan

    TPTB know that LVG wins this from trap 6. No need to give him the pimp and make it even more obvious.

  • Donchez has got the pimp slot?!

  • Joe Lemer

    Micky on last after DVJ. Things are looking good. Come on LVG!!

  • Tom

    Standing head guys could edge it very narrowly… Running order against them but Richard Jones won from trap 2…

  • Guildo Horn Forever

    DVJ are incredible dancers, amazing choreo, brilliant show etc … but, on a personal note, given the amount of special effects deployed and “help” they have received, and the amount of self-important (?) “DVJ” refs that were voice-overed into the show, I just started thinking fondly of LVG part way through. And for athletic bravery the Giang Brothers cannot be topped.

  • Phil

    Did anyone else laugh out loud at Cowell telling DVJ that they came into this as underdogs?

  • Stoney

    Nowhere near as good from Mikey. Not that he was great in the semi
    Good but not good enough from DVJ
    game set match LVG

  • Guildo Horn Forever

    Micky P’s song choice was disastrous. WTF was he thinking?

    • Guildo Horn Forever

      Oof! The panel got stuck in, there! Trouble is: they were right. They’d obviously seen his rehearsal. High running order position for him so that he feels the cuts and burns deeper …

  • Score

    Micky just died on his arse. Very odd that he was put so late in the running order given that.

    • I can see there thinking – tonight’s been a strong final overall and there will be more of a ‘feelgood’ acceptance of a weaker act in 11th than if he’d gone early on and blighted the show with negative comments.

        • Chris Bellis

          FUDD
          I commiserate. I hate this predictive text that alters correct spelling and grammar to rubbish. If you’re on a slow connection on a browser like firefox you don’t even notice. Then people sneer at you and you have no comeback other than to say read all my other posts and you can see that I can spell. Shouldn’t bother us really with all the shit there is in the world. But it does.

  • Chris Bellis

    Mickey damned with faint praise. He couldn’t do his one good joke about Andy Murray’s mum again. Especially since she was in the audience.

  • Level Devil

    I couldn’t work out what was going on with the running order tonight, but are Mickey and Donchez just there to make DVJ look good? Dance acts aren’t my thing, but the zombie lot earlier in the week were really impressive and I couldn’t fathom why they were on second. May make sense now.

  • Jessica Hamby

    This (Donchez) has got all the fun of a corporate training weekend.

  • Guildo Horn Forever

    The D Day Darlings for a podium finish? Maybe 2nd? Or The Giang Brothers with a chance of a place? Or (unfathomable to me) Donchez?

  • Chris Bellis

    I love that he’s done the same song despite Simon telling him he hoped for something different at his last appearance. Good for him – even if he doesn’t win he’ll have a single out of it.

  • Jesscia Hamby

    Is that a target on your shirt?

    No. It’s on your back mate.

    The best part of Donchez had to be the expression on the face of the man who was carrying him in. He obviously didn’t get the memo about it being “fun”.

  • Guildo Horn Forever

    My guess at finishing positions:

    1st: LVG
    2nd: The D Day Darlings
    3rd: Robert White
    4th: The Giang Bros.

  • Tom

    Kind of agree with Guildo.

    1st: LVG
    2nd: Dance guys
    3: Robert White
    4: Headstand guys

  • Stoney

    Ive cashed out on DVJ
    so lvg all the way
    2nd Gryff
    3rd Robert

  • Doyley

    1. LVG
    2. Robert
    3. Giang brothers
    4. DVJ

  • Alan

    1) LVG
    2) DVJ
    3) OPERA MAN

  • Tom

    These guest acts are worse than Micky P Kerr’s act…

  • Sagand

    1. LVG
    2.Robert
    Big gap
    3. DVJ

  • Donchez third – I wonder if he was a bit close for comfort for the producers!

  • Stoney

    Get in. Never in doubt.

  • Guildo Horn Forever

    Didn’t have a penny on LVG (or anyone else) but am delighted that the person who needed to win … won.

    Am also not surprised that DVJ finished outside the Top 3. Anyone else get a slight vibe when watching their show of Sweden’s over-produced, unfair-advantage Eurovision show?

    • Stoney

      I cashed out my dvj money straight after they performed. Unfortunately i only got my stake back despite being offered 5x that earlier. Can’t grumble though. Its been a good night.

    • Chris Bellis

      Guldo. DVJ were pimped to the max. Maybe the audience is finally seeing through this crap? They certainly did with Sweden in Eurovision. Big time. Huge discrepancy between televote and jury vote.

      • Guildo Horn Forever

        Bad mis-step by Cowell trying to drop in, trying to sell that “under-dog” shite about DVJ. A strange comment to make anyway, all the more so when LVG (with a reminiscent echo of an acronym) is performing in the same show. I started thinking about LVG again part way through DVJ’s show, and Cowell trying to sell DVJ as against-the-odds contenders reinforced my need for LVG to win. (I actually phone voted for LVG.)

        Last-in-the-running-order Donchez, of-the-people Donchez, his success could be compared to ESC Italy’s televote success?

        And very well done, Chris, on predicting Donchez for Top 3.

  • Chris Bellis

    Free money there again! Good call Stoney. And as for Donchez…it’s Britain’s Got Talent! Donchez earned me a very nice amount of money. As did LVG thanks to your tip. Hope you did as well as I did.

  • Joe Lemer

    Well done to all. A thoroughly enjoyable series. I backed LVG in a double with Nigeria to be quarter finalists in the World Cup (this should technically be in the sport thread I know). A waiting game for me but happy that the right act won.

    • Phil

      Interesting that of all the semi 2nd and 3rd places, all of the 2nd place acts actually went through.

      Micky really bombed in the final too. Second last above the B Positive Choir.

      • Chris Bellis

        Hope somebody cleverer than me is going to do the analysis later. I did ok but I feel I could have done better. I didn’t put enough money on! The messing about with the running order reminded me of the Eurovision fiasco where it’s the crucial thing. All the moving around made me take fright.

        • I agree, ro not as important as ESC but still can make a difference.

          LVG 6th of 11, 21%
          Robert 4/11, 17.2%

          Would LVG have given up 2% to Robert for the win if their ro was swapped? Likely.

          Gruffydd Wyn Roberts 8/11 11.2%
          Donchez Dacres 11/11 11.2%

          Would Gruff have got 3rd if their ro was swapped? Definitely.

  • Guildo Horn Forever

    @Chris Bellis For someone to perform an analysis, I nominate the commentator who’s been banging in the winners year after year on BGT … Stoney.

    • Chris Bellis

      @ Guildo Horn Forever
      I second that! Henry VIII also seems to have a good understanding but I need it spelled out in idiot’s terms. I did statistics at school but it’s a long time ago.

    • Stoney

      Bgt has become almost as good an earner as strictly for me in recent years. Ive had a few near misses this year but ive finally turned the corner!

      • Chris Bellis

        Stoney, don’t do what I did in Eurovision and take things personally. This site is mostly friendly and supportive, but every now and then wires get crossed. I value your insights and I like the way you immediately spot when an act has not lived up to expectations and let everybody know so they can cash out. So I didn’t lose on DVJ for example. I too did a top 3 on Donchez at the last minute and I did share that, but some people were very sniffy about him. I didn’t have time to share my reasoning because I was too busy betting, but it’s pretty bleeding obvious when you look at the pimping he got (and has had all along actually) despite going against Simon’s specific advice to “sing a new song next time”. It’s a betting site and we shouldn’t let personal favourites get in the way. I give myself the same advice.
        It’s worse when you do know something about the subject, as I do with standup comedy, and someone disagrees. I knew you were right about LVG from the beginning as I could easily visualize him at a comedy club or festival. Blimey he was ten times funnier than many acts I’ve seen, even some of the top ones like Paul Merton or Ross Noble. Mickey got in the final for the one joke about Andy Murray’s mum – he was never going to top that. I underestimated Robert for the simple reason that I thought there was only room for one comic in the top 3. Mistake.

  • Chris Bellis

    Don’t know where else to post this, but sharing some thoughts over Donchez, specifically his age – 61, as was repeated many times about this gentleman. His genre is ska/reggae/rocksteady. Well if we take the band that invented reggae, Toots and the Maytals, who are still going strong by the way, 61 is positively youthful. Ditto with hundreds of very active rocksteady bands. Also loads of metal bands. And who are the judges kidding? Some of them aren’t that far off their sixties anyway. I hate this ageism. When I go to a concert I never think, well that musician is over 60, how impressive. I think, he/she will be experienced enough to put on a good show.

  • 61 isn’t old if you keep healthy but TV land is obsessed with age. The irony is that Amanda and Cowell, in a desperate attempt to look younger, have messed up their looks. Amanda with tons of botox and Cowell with more permanent fillers as well as botox. So they see someone older than them, with no intervention or neurosis, who looks much better than them, and they’re confused/irritated.

    I occasionally meet women who have had plastic surgery and I think they’re quite well preserved 50 somethings and then I find out they’re 30 something. The plastic surgery actually makes them look older. I remember a RTV pro BB contestant saying she had twice yearly botox injections since she was 20. And they all seem to have hideous lip injections now.

  • Morning all, just a heads-up that we deleted a few comments from overnight in this thread in line with our usual policy to keep everything civil. Thanks for understanding. New post-mortem thread up for your fresh thoughts!

    • Chris Bellis

      I think things get posted late night after a few libations that we’d all wish to have deleted. Enough said.

    • Stoney

      1 too many sangrias in Spain im putting it down to 😀

      • Chris Bellis

        Stoney – it was all a lot quieter when Sky narrowed the satellite footprint so that anyone south of Madrid lost most of the British channels. They must have restored them because they had all returned when I was in Spain late last year.

        • Stoney

          I watched it through the andriod box mate. Filmon. Very slight delay which thankfully didn’t cause me any problems betting wise as the only action i needed to do was to cash out on dvj as soon as they finished.

          • Chris Bellis

            Yes Stoney. Sensible, and I’m glad you told us so I could do the same. Just as an aside, I’ve mentioned my brother-in-law before. He has a row of screens, and his front room is like the set of security central. He swears he can use that delay to his advantage. I watched him once, betting on US greyhound races. That delay means if you are very quick and have a good connection you can beat the odds. Mind you he’s a retired bookie so he’s been doing it all his life. Too complicated for me, but I do admire people who can do it. However he regularly gets banned and has to re-register with a new alias on betting sites. I think he enjoys the challenge. Chat again when it’s X-Factor/Voice/Strictly season.

          • Stoney

            Bookies are like that mate. That’s why I’m currently waiting for my mate and my brother to transfer my winnings to me haha
            Take care mate will be that time of the year before we know it.

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